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		<title>A roundtable chat with Paul Giamatti and Rosamund Pike, of &#8220;Barney&#8217;s Version&#8221;</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[If you&#8217;re going to be shallow about it, Paul Giamatti and Rosamund Pike might seem like a slightly odd pair of movie lovebirds. However, the love affair between their characters in &#8220;Barney&#8217;s Version&#8221; hasn&#8217;t aroused any of the complaints Seth Rogen regularly gets when his movie character gets lucky with a beautiful woman. No offense [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re going to be shallow about it, <a href="http://www.bullz-eye.com/entertainers/paul_giamatti.htm" target="_blank">Paul Giamatti</a> and <a href="http://www.bullz-eye.com/movies/interviews/2011/rosamund_pike.htm" target="_blank">Rosamund Pike</a> might seem like a slightly odd pair of movie lovebirds. However, the love affair between their characters in &#8220;<a href="http://www.bullz-eye.com/mguide/reviews_2011/barneys_version.htm" target="_blank">Barney&#8217;s Version</a>&#8221; hasn&#8217;t aroused any of the complaints <a href="http://www.bullz-eye.com/entertainers/seth_rogen.htm" target="_blank">Seth Rogen</a> regularly gets when his movie character gets lucky with a beautiful woman. No offense to Rogen, but maybe that&#8217;s because Giamatti gets a pass for being an extraordinarily brilliant actor &#8212; who, as it happens, just picked up a well-deserved Golden Globe for his performance in this very film &#8212; and Pike gets points for having the sense to work with him, not to mention for being rather extraordinary herself.</p>
<p><a rel="attachment wp-att-33256" href="https://www.premiumhollywood.com/2011/01/18/a-roundtable-chat-with-paul-giamatti-and-rosamund-pike-of-barneys-version/5-3/"><img decoding="async" fetchpriority="high" class="aligncenter size-large wp-image-33256" title="5" src="https://www.premiumhollywood.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/5-1024x682.jpg" alt="5" width="477" height="318" srcset="https://www.premiumhollywood.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/5-1024x682.jpg 1024w, https://www.premiumhollywood.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/5-300x200.jpg 300w" sizes="(max-width: 477px) 100vw, 477px" /></a></p>
<p>In fact, the pair have some things in common. Pike&#8217;s parents are accomplished serious musicians and she is an Oxford Graduate. Paul Giamatti&#8217;s father was the noted Yale University President and Commissioner of Baseball, A. Bartlett Giamatti. Naturally, the younger Giamatti is himself a graduate of Yale. Both have also been busy working actors for some time. After &#8220;American Splendor,&#8221; &#8220;Sideways,&#8221; and &#8212; on a more  heroic level &#8212; the miniseries &#8220;<a href="http://www.bullz-eye.com/television_reviews/2008/john_adams.htm" target="_blank">John Adams</a>,&#8221; not to mention innumerable outstanding supporting roles, Giamatti is a bonafide star. The sky is the limit for Ms. Pike, a vastly-above average &#8220;Bond girl&#8221; opposite Pierce Brosnan in 2002&#8217;s &#8220;Die Another Day,&#8221; who more recently has received a lot of notice for her very diverse roles as a less than brilliant conman&#8217;s girlfriend in &#8220;An Education&#8221; and, more under the radar but no less brilliant, as a highly educated but frustrated housewife and mother in &#8220;<a href="http://www.bullz-eye.com/mguide/reviews_2010/made_in_dagenham.htm" target="_blank">Made in Dagenham</a>.&#8221;</p>
<p>When I and a bunch of other junket journos encountered Giamatti and Pike, they were promoting the new adaptation of Mordecai Richler&#8217;s tragicomic final novel about the life and loves of a youthful hustler and bohemian turned aging Montreal television producer and crank. For us shallow types, Giamatti bats 1000 well out of his league with three wives in the course of &#8220;Barney&#8217;s Version,&#8221; played by the lovely Rachelle Lefevre, Minnie Driver, and Pike as Miriam Grant-Panofsky, whom he actually loves. If you read my review, you&#8217;ll see that I think the film is a very mixed bag, but the performances are first rate throughout. In addition to that Golden Globe, Giamatti&#8217;s performance was praised by his colleague <a href="http://www.bullz-eye.com/movies/interviews/2011/ron_perlman.htm" target="_blank">Ron Perlman</a>, and easily deserves whatever accolades it may find. Pike is, as the cliche goes, luminous in a role as a really good person that a lesser actress would have rendered merely saintly and dull.</p>
<p>Rosamund Pike arrived first, but in a moment Paul Giamatti entered, bantering with a female reporter. &#8220;She forced me to proclaim myself an &#8216;indie darling&#8217; yesterday,&#8221; Giamatti said.</p>
<p>&#8220;Nobody forced you to do anything,&#8221; the reporter remonstrated.</p>
<p>&#8220;Yes, you did,&#8221; he argued. &#8220;You tricked me into saying it on camera. She said, &#8216;When you became an indie darling,&#8217; and I went &#8216;Well, when I became an indie darling&#8230;'&#8221; and I thought, &#8216;I just said those words! Goddammit, that&#8217;s on film now, forever.'&#8221;</p>
<p>Giamatti, a born comedian as well as a master thesp, was already breaking up the room.</p>
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<p>The questioning started for real with one of the standard questions entertainment journos like to ask: what was it about &#8220;Barney&#8217;s Version&#8221; that made Rosamund Pike and Paul Giamatti want to get involved? I&#8217;m still waiting for someone to answer that question with, &#8220;Well, for the money and to advance my career, you bloody moron,&#8221; but our two actor friends were more polite.</p>
<p>Giamatti started. &#8220;I knew of the book, sort of. I kind of had an idea of what the script might be like. It was great. The stretch of time, everything I was actually going to be able to do. All of the other characters. It had an unbelievable sort of life to it. Fantastic characters. I didn&#8217;t know [director Richard J. Lewis] at all. I knew he&#8217;d done a lot of the &#8220;<a href="http://www.bullz-eye.com/television_reviews/2005/csi_2005.htm" target="_blank">C.S.I.</a>&#8221; stuff. I saw his other movie [1994&#8217;s &#8220;Whale Music&#8221;]&#8230;It&#8217;s a nice movie. I started working with him and he&#8217;s excellent with actors. Right off the bat. He also seemed to implicitly trust us, which is actually more rare than you would think it is.&#8221; Pike and Giamatti also agreed that they were delighted to have the opportunity to rehearse prior to shooting, an increasingly rare practice in a sometimes oddly penny-pinching industry that has no problem spending hundreds of millions on hyper-inflated salaries and CGI.</p>
<p><img decoding="async" class="photo_right" src="https://www.premiumhollywood.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/8-682x1024.jpg" border="0" alt="Rosamund Pike ages well in " width="150" height="225" />Remaining on the subject of director Richard J. Lewis, Pike spoke. &#8220;He&#8217;s lived with this book for like ten years and he was obsessed with this novel and obsessed with these characters. He&#8217;d thought about them so much that to give us the roles was a tremendous vote of trust, really. They&#8217;d probably been living inside his head and nobody could probably embody them like he&#8217;d imagined them&#8230;It&#8217;s much more interesting to create a character with a director who&#8217;s engaged, than someone who just wants you to try everything randomly with no guidance.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;He&#8217;s very attentive and sharp,&#8221; Giamatti added. &#8220;He would see when I was in trouble and he always offered me a way out.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;He also gave us the opportunity to do some of the most profound moments for Barney and Miriam in single takes,&#8221; said Pike. &#8220;Two-shots that are not cut-away from at all.&#8221;</p>
<p>That led to some discussion of an important scene later in the film when Barney finds himself confessing a mortal marital sin.</p>
<p>&#8220;He had told us well before we ever got to that scene that that was how he was going to shoot it,&#8221; Giamatti said.</p>
<p>&#8220;And we were both living it for real, together&#8230;It&#8217;s wonderful when those big moments for the characters are happening here and for real, it&#8217;s not manufactured in any way,&#8221; Pike said.</p>
<p>I mentioned at this point that I was about sixty pages into the book. Pike asked for my reaction and I said that I found it a bit discursive at first, but I was warming up to it. (I&#8217;m still not sure I&#8217;ll be finishing it.)</p>
<p>Giamatti jumped in. &#8220;You realize that&#8217;s the whole point to it, it&#8217;s discursiveness, in a way.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;A fragmenting brain,&#8221; Pike added.</p>
<p>I suggested it might be difficult to duplicate that effect on film.</p>
<p>&#8220;You could in a different movie, probably,&#8221; Giamatti said. &#8220;A Godard movie, or something.&#8221;</p>
<p>So both Giamatti and Pike had read it?</p>
<p>&#8220;I eventually did. I didn&#8217;t read it right off the bat. I read the script first and I realized that that was what I was going to have to stick with because, as you can see, it&#8217;s pretty different. I got wary of getting too involved with the book. So, I didn&#8217;t really read it until [the movie] was done,&#8221; Giamatti said.</p>
<p>&#8220;I had read the book before, before I had even seen a script,&#8221; Pike said. &#8220;I had done another Canadian film. The producer [Robert Lantos] had put it in my hands because the other film was also one he had produced many years before.&#8221;</p>
<p>What did she think of the character of Miriam when she first encountered her?</p>
<p><a rel="attachment wp-att-33260" href="https://www.premiumhollywood.com/2011/01/18/a-roundtable-chat-with-paul-giamatti-and-rosamund-pike-of-barneys-version/6-4/"><img decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-large wp-image-33260" title="6" src="https://www.premiumhollywood.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/6-1024x682.jpg" alt="6" width="477" height="318" srcset="https://www.premiumhollywood.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/6-1024x682.jpg 1024w, https://www.premiumhollywood.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/6-300x200.jpg 300w" sizes="(max-width: 477px) 100vw, 477px" /></a></p>
<p>&#8220;I thought she was the most astonishing character but I knew that I wouldn&#8217;t have a hope in hell. It would be insane to cast a woman in her late twenties. So, I was sort of looking at Clara [Barney&#8217;s troubled first wife, played by Rachelle Lefevre]. I was thinking, &#8216;well, this is an interesting creature.&#8217; I had quite an interesting take on Clara,&#8221; Pike said, as she and Giamatti agreed that the Clara character was &#8220;amazing&#8221; but that some material had been lost on the way to the completed film.</p>
<p>Still, Pike is rather satisfied with the character she did get to play. &#8220;Miriam is a wonderful creation because you do adore her reading the book. She&#8217;s good and true and loyal and committed, but she&#8217;s not dull. She&#8217;s got this dignity and serenity and all these lovely qualities I can portray but I don&#8217;t really possess&#8230;I found her quite therapeutic to play.&#8221;</p>
<p>Other than the obvious hair and make-up work, what did Giamatti and Pike do to suggest aging over 30  years?</p>
<p>&#8220;A shift of weight, really. Getting heavier. Generally what people say, when you talk to people about growing old, [is that] you feel the same in your mind. You feel heavier,&#8221; Pike said.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s safe to say that Barney feels the effects of time a bit more than Miriam in the course of the story. &#8220;The guy smokes and drinks a lot,&#8221; Giamatti said. &#8220;That&#8217;s going to do things to your body and voice. It&#8217;ll wear you down, inevitably, no matter how much stamina you have. The make-up actually helps with a lot of that, when you wear this stuff. [Make-up artist Adrien Morot] did an amazing job. He makes me look like I&#8217;m bloated and gained weight, and I didn&#8217;t. It&#8217;s all prosthetics that make me look fatter than I actually was.&#8221;</p>
<p><a rel="attachment wp-att-33261" href="https://www.premiumhollywood.com/2011/01/18/a-roundtable-chat-with-paul-giamatti-and-rosamund-pike-of-barneys-version/attachment/2/"><img decoding="async" loading="lazy" class="aligncenter size-large wp-image-33261" title="2" src="https://www.premiumhollywood.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/2-1024x682.jpg" alt="2" width="477" height="318" srcset="https://www.premiumhollywood.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/2-1024x682.jpg 1024w, https://www.premiumhollywood.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/2-300x200.jpg 300w" sizes="(max-width: 477px) 100vw, 477px" /></a></p>
<p>&#8220;They tried to give me some of that, [but I said] &#8216;back off,'&#8221; Rosamund Pike added to some laughter.</p>
<p>That sparked some some discussion of how computer technology was used to create imagery of how Giamatti and Pike might look thirty years from now, with Pike&#8217;s mother and older actresses being partial models for her. &#8220;I think a bit of Jane Fonda somewhere &#8212; people who&#8217;ve aged sort of gracefully.&#8221;</p>
<p>Giamatti ruefully suggested that similarly un-pretty (and freaking brilliant) Edward G. Robinson might have been used as a model for him.</p>
<p>The subject then turned to the supporting cast in the film, prompting an anecdote from Giamatti.</p>
<p>&#8220;There&#8217;s that wonderful Italian actor [Thomas Trabacchi] who plays the artist. We shot that stuff in Rome at the very beginning of the movie. Then, the thing I did with him after he did the radio show, [hosted by Miriam] where I said goodbye to him outside, was one of the last things we shot. I hadn&#8217;t seen him in three months. I had this incredibly weird affectionate reaction when I saw him. It was an incredibly weird simulation of what I was supposed to actually be feeling. I was like, &#8216;I love this guy; I remember being in Rome with this guy. I fuckin&#8217; love this guy.&#8217; And he had the same reaction. We  were both just so &#8216;Oh my God, I love you! It&#8217;s really weird'&#8221; Giamatti said, getting big laughs from the table as he described being choked up to the point of tears every time he saw that scene. &#8220;There&#8217;s something very lovely in that scene. It&#8217;s very quick and you don&#8217;t even necessarily notice it, but there&#8217;s, I think, a really genuine sense of two guys who are like &#8216;Oh my God, I&#8217;ve really missed you all this time!&#8217; He&#8217;s wonderful, Thomaso.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;You do bank those memories,&#8221; Pike said. &#8220;Sometimes your body gets confused and you have a memory. You think it was something that happened to you and you actually remember that it happened in a film.&#8221;</p>
<p>And a related anecdote from Giamatti. &#8220;When I did that &#8216;John Adams&#8217; series, there was an even bigger stretch of time. There was a very weird moment when I was supposed to come off a boat and I was supposed to have not seen my kids for a really long time. The last time I had shot any scenes with the kids they had been like 9 year-old actors. Then I stepped off the boat and I had not seen any of these actors who were playing them as adults. I got off the boat and I thought &#8216;Who the fuck are these people? These are the kids?&#8217; It was this incredible simulation of what I was supposed to be feeling.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, we had learned what Giamatti&#8217;s favorite scene to work on from &#8220;Barney&#8217;s Version&#8221; was. What was Pike&#8217;s?</p>
<p>&#8220;I really like the scene we did in the restaurant, where I finally go on the date. He&#8217;s passed out and she finds his crib notes. I don&#8217;t know why. I just happened to really enjoy that day. The other stuff was quite troubling, some of it. Better to see it after it&#8217;s done, in way. Some of it was quite painful,&#8221; Pike emphasized.</p>
<p>Then a questioner mentioned the substantially more downbeat tone of the second half of &#8220;Barney&#8217;s Version.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;You&#8217;ve sort of fallen in love with these people. Then, to see someone breaking down, it&#8217;s very painful. There&#8217;s a sort of affection that&#8217;s very real,&#8221; said Pike.</p>
<p>Giamatti added, ending on a somewhat down note. &#8220;There an inevitable darkening of guys getting old. It&#8217;s really about a person getting old.&#8221;</p>
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